tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post3713169019764867857..comments2024-02-23T03:29:54.261-05:00Comments on The Unreligious Right: The UN Anti-Israel CouncilUNRRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-58685378344446340302009-10-17T09:50:53.058-04:002009-10-17T09:50:53.058-04:00"Any human rights council containing Arab sta..."Any human rights council containing Arab states is a joke indeed just as a country investigating its own mistakes in a war,not much truth can be expected from either"<br /><br />False analogy. Democratic states do investigate themselves. Israel has a full spectrum political culture. There are plenty of people within Israel itself that are highly critical of government and military actions.<br /><br />"And saying other countries would commit genocide were they in Israel's place sure makes Israel look like saints."<br /><br />They are definitely not saints, but they are certainly on a far different level than Hamas -- although you'd never know that from listening to their critics.<br /><br />"every little or big accusation towards Israel directly is rejected as false and antisemitic is not very convincing."<br /><br />Nice strawman. I didn't say that Israel did everything right, or that every accusation against it is false or antisemtic, but that this particular criticism from the UN is meaningless because of the extreme bias involved. And bias doens't have to be anti-Semitic. There are plenty of people that have nothing against Jews as individuals, but hate Israel as a state. Often anti-semitism & anti-Israel hatred coincide, but it isn't a requirement.<br /><br />"And are critics the only thing keeping Israel from wiping them of the map?"<br /><br />Of course not. Israel has the military power to kill every single Palestinian in Gaza should it choose to do so. But it restricts itself because of who and what it is as a state and people, just as the U.S. greatly restricts itself during warfare and uses only a fraction of its full power.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-79276366141917121152009-10-17T09:13:00.808-04:002009-10-17T09:13:00.808-04:00Any human rights council containing Arab states is...Any human rights council containing Arab states is a joke indeed just as a country investigating its own mistakes in a war,not much truth can be expected from either.<br />And saying other countries would commit genocide were they in Israel's place sure makes Israel look like saints.<br />Although Hamas obviously is not civilized by any means and are not bound by any rules whatsoever the fact that every little or big accusation towards Israel directly is rejected as false and antisemitic is not very convincing. <br />And are critics the only thing keeping Israel from wiping them of the map?Limbojoophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18208326565241688424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-73919788877184601382009-10-16T16:12:07.562-04:002009-10-16T16:12:07.562-04:00Exactly. If critics are going to act like you are ...Exactly. If critics are going to act like you are exterminating people and committing a bunch of other war crimes no matter what you do, the tendency is going to be toward ignoring them altogether and giving humanitarian concerns less weight when planning military operations.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-9078320261383992262009-10-16T14:20:24.173-04:002009-10-16T14:20:24.173-04:00"Why put your own forces at greater risk with..."Why put your own forces at greater risk with restricted rules of engagement when you get no credit for it anyway? Why stop at limited objectives out of concern for civilian casualties, when lunatics start screaming "genocide" when you kill less than 1500 people? "<br /><br />This aspect of the debate is the least discussed, but most important. It is decisions like this by the HR Council, that actually HURT human rights! Why should Israel listen or participate in any future such reports?! And how does this decision help human rights, anyway? I would love for someone to answer this question as I've not heard one yet.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10990395163682467972noreply@blogger.com