tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post5415768235806969178..comments2024-02-23T03:29:54.261-05:00Comments on The Unreligious Right: We Can Torture Criminal Suspects But Not TerroristsUNRRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-18654746130857435222009-06-14T11:15:14.023-04:002009-06-14T11:15:14.023-04:00Obviously I was referring to the crimes that he wa...Obviously I was referring to the crimes that he was accused of, and for which the DNA sample was needed. But ok, if you want to say he's guilty of the crime of refusing a court order, fine. I've never argued that just because someone is guilty of any crime that they should be subject to torture. And I'm certainly not in favor of torturing people who refuse a court order. As I pointed out above -- and many times before -- the only people I'm talking about as "guilty" are positively identified hostile foreign terrorists.<br /><br />Being unmistakeably guilty is only one part of the criteria that should be met before torture is even be considered. I'm in favor of torture as a possible option only in some very specific cases.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-70578599059518617172009-06-13T18:57:45.410-04:002009-06-13T18:57:45.410-04:00You apparently haven't read the article. He r...You apparently haven't read the article. He refused to comply with a court order. That's a crime for which he is clearly and unmistakably guilty, and why he was arrested, taken to the station, repeatedly warned, and finally forced to obey the court order.uzzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02494141255401096538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-37401818816137730842009-06-13T14:16:38.184-04:002009-06-13T14:16:38.184-04:00"suspect"
Just to reiterate/clarify. I ..."suspect"<br /><br />Just to reiterate/clarify. I disagree strongly with the judge's ruling. I'm not in favor of torturing mere suspects, even foreign terror suspects. And when I say "suspect" or "guilty," I'm not referring to narrow legal definitions. By guilty, I mean guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, either from the person's own free admission, or through overwhelming indisputable evidence. For example, in the way that we know that Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri are Al Qaeda terrorists. <br /><br />I'm not in favor of torturing anyone who isn't clearly & unmistakeably guilty.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-30853793670118548202009-06-13T13:59:15.193-04:002009-06-13T13:59:15.193-04:00You apparently haven't read anything I said. H...You apparently haven't read anything I said. He's a U.S. citizen and a auspect. He isn't known to be guilty of anything.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-77383831695572819132009-06-13T13:50:32.263-04:002009-06-13T13:50:32.263-04:00He refused to comply with a court order; he's ...He refused to comply with a court order; he's guilty. That makes it ok, according to what you've said.uzzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02494141255401096538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-22726600431645916702009-06-12T21:28:58.082-04:002009-06-12T21:28:58.082-04:00"(a) two wrongs don't make a right"
..."(a) two wrongs don't make a right"<br /><br />That's one way to look at it. But I disagree that torturing KSM was a wrong. <br /><br />"(b) they tazed him for 4 seconds- as opposed to the 182 times in one month one terror suspect was tortured."<br /><br />Torture is torture. The point is that we permit the use of torture against U.S. citizens, even suspects who have been convicted of no crime. The severity of the torture is less important than who is being tortured and why. If we are going to permit it in domestic situations, against people who should be protected by Constitutional rights, then it isn't unreasonable to suggest that we might employ it in extreme national security situations against known terrorists.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-52618910122957241712009-06-12T16:25:17.036-04:002009-06-12T16:25:17.036-04:00(a) two wrongs don't make a right
(b) they ta...(a) two wrongs don't make a right<br /><br />(b) they tazed him for 4 seconds- as opposed to the 182 times in <i>one month</i> one terror suspect was tortured.PersonalFailurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034292023591747601noreply@blogger.com