tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post781555272117871919..comments2024-02-23T03:29:54.261-05:00Comments on The Unreligious Right: How Conservatives View LiberalsUNRRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-44917819584860879722011-09-07T10:06:35.186-04:002011-09-07T10:06:35.186-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02945030313474724870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-13908090540498784532011-03-27T01:16:20.124-04:002011-03-27T01:16:20.124-04:00BTW. Who thinks "pure" communism has goo...BTW. Who thinks "pure" communism has good outcomes? Katie Couric and Chris Matthews? Who gives a good god damn what motivates stupid people? Ask my Czech friend how she felt when the "nicely" motivated Soviets invaded her country and members of her family disappeared? Motives? I bet there are millions of people that died in Siberian gulags debating whether communism is "pure" or not.<br /> <br />Fuck you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-68215777125413224022011-03-27T00:09:24.448-04:002011-03-27T00:09:24.448-04:00Yo bro. You know them little curly-cue things: &qu...Yo bro. You know them little curly-cue things: "quotation marks" ?They have a purpose.<br /><br />I copied and pasted what I said:<br /><br />"The point I guess I failed to make was that we should concern ourselves with leftist tactics and not their motives."<br /><br />And here's my copy and paste of what you say I said:<br /><br />"I guess I failed to make was that we should concern ourselves with leftist tactics and not their motives."<br /><br />One of these things doesn't look like the other. As a conservative atheist, I figure we ought to have something in common. <br /><br />Perhaps, not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-7524803196373008822011-03-19T20:46:00.445-04:002011-03-19T20:46:00.445-04:00I noticed, but after I'd already written all t...I noticed, but after I'd already written all that other stuff :).<br /><br />"I guess I failed to make was that we should concern ourselves with leftist tactics and not their motives."<br /><br />I agree that from a practical standpoint their tactics are much more important than their motives. My main point is that just because their tactics are odious, doesn't mean they are acting out of bad motives. They just have an ends justify the means outlook.<br /><br />Look at communists, and I mean the true believer types, not someone like a cynical old soviet politburo member who was just using communism to retain power and perks. Communists think communism is the best possible system. They don't see it as an oppressive ideology that naturally leads to something like the USSR -- that's why they are always bringing up the same old nonsense about "true communism."<br /><br />Since they think communism is the best and fairest system possible, class enemies who stand in the way are obviously evil oppressors. And if you are dealing with evil oppressors, any tactics can be justified since you are fighting against evil to bring about the best possible system.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-11117466390697853102011-03-19T13:15:54.167-04:002011-03-19T13:15:54.167-04:00You thoroughly deconstructed my diatribe and yet d...You thoroughly deconstructed my diatribe and yet didn't notice that I did not equate motives and tactics. The point I guess I failed to make was that we should concern ourselves with leftist tactics and not their motives.<br /><br />I do agree that their motives are interesting, whatever they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-36097481936382385812011-03-19T09:21:22.751-04:002011-03-19T09:21:22.751-04:00I agree with some things and disagree with others....I agree with some things and disagree with others. Motivations and tactics are not the same things.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-91547464938238435792011-03-19T02:19:04.096-04:002011-03-19T02:19:04.096-04:00So you agree. I knew you would.So you agree. I knew you would.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-63067711510060011742011-03-18T19:36:16.060-04:002011-03-18T19:36:16.060-04:00D,
"SSo, the thousands of pages Obamacare we...D,<br /><br />"SSo, the thousands of pages Obamacare were a demonstration of the altruistic nature of naive leftists?"<br /><br />No, that's the nature of getting any huge bill passed in today's Congress -- every supporter has to have his/her fingers in part of it.<br /><br />"Tthen why aren't people like Al Gore and Michael Moore living in one-room shacks and riding bicycles and occasionally floating over to Cuba for their 3rd world-class health care?"<br /><br />Because they are hypocrites.<br /><br />"We could tie ourselves into philosophical knots over what motivates leftists, but it isn't very constructive."<br /><br />Maybe not, but I like those sorts of intellectual exercises.<br /><br />"You'd be better served by studying their tactics and opposing the retrograde, totalitarian bastards."<br /><br />There's nothing preventing anyone from doing that why also considering their motivations.<br /><br />"Is it far-fetched conspiracy theory to attribute malevolence to leftists?"<br /><br />It depends on the exact situation. If you mean malevolence directed toward conservatives, then no. They see us as evil. That's why it's ok for them to use any tactics necessary against us. But that's not the same thing as whether or not they believe in the positive effects of their policy ideas.<br /><br />"Obama and Trumka and NPR aren’t simply pot-smoking, misguided unicorn jockeys worried about your welfare, my friend. "<br /><br />I don't think they are.<br /><br />Anonymous,<br /><br />We on the right are well-aware of the nonsensical views of the left with regard to us. I spend plenty of time visiting left-wing sites and occasional even entering into discussion with the minority capable of holding a rational debate on some issue.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-14420345918618380382011-03-18T18:48:26.234-04:002011-03-18T18:48:26.234-04:00Funny, but the left views conservatives as Authori...Funny, but the left views conservatives as Authoritarian Oligochists that wants to regulate everyones sex lives, eliminate freedom of expression and associations (in the name of security) generally ram down a fundamentalist religion 'morals' on everyone who isn't male, white and upper class property owners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-51843436434763592292011-03-18T14:51:09.776-04:002011-03-18T14:51:09.776-04:00SSo, the thousands of pages Obamacare were a demon...SSo, the thousands of pages Obamacare were a demonstration of the altruistic nature of naive leftists? I doubt it. The whole episode was nothing more than a demonstration of power and a means to maintain it. “We won.”<br /><br />They are motivated by power and their incessant need to tamp down those they consider intellectually inferior. If altruism is the left's motivation, then why aren't people like Al Gore and Michael Moore living in one-room shacks and riding bicycles and occasionally floating over to Cuba for their 3rd world-class health care?<br /><br />We could tie ourselves into philosophical knots over what motivates leftists, but it isn't very constructive. It's the kind of epistemological fluff that leftists love. It's enough to remember that the result of a leftist civilization is grim repression at best. It's sufficient to review Russian history and various parables by Orwell and Rand to see the results of supposed well-intentioned leftists. Screw their goddamn motivations. You'd be better served by studying their tactics and opposing the retrograde, totalitarian bastards.<br /><br />Is it far-fetched conspiracy theory to attribute malevolence to leftists? We may not devolve to the point of Stalin’s purges or Mao’s Great Leap forward, but a glance at our media ought to give you pause. Take Wisconsin. Are you noticing lies, lies by omission? Obama and Trumka and NPR aren’t simply pot-smoking, misguided unicorn jockeys worried about your welfare, my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-11005697015247099312011-03-17T23:42:31.237-04:002011-03-17T23:42:31.237-04:00I would explain it as follows. The left sees gover...I would explain it as follows. The left sees government as the answer to almost any problem, and views individuals as needing to be led and taken care of for their own good. It rejects personal responsibility and scoffs at any notion that a free market could possibly provide better solutions than government. It also views everything through a class lens that sees poor people as helpless victims, the rich as exploiters, and capitalism as at best something that needs to be tightly regulated and controlled in the interests of "fairness." Government is there to "do good," it isn't a necessary evil. <br /><br />There is also a general hostility to corporations. How many times have you heard a Democrat -- not even a hardcore leftist -- refer disparagingly to "big oil," big pharma," or the "insurance lobby"? When you have a left-wing mindset that the health care system is fundamentally unfair and broken, and dominated by evil, greedy corporations, and your solution of choice to solve any societal problem is more government intervention, a program like Obamacare is going to be seen as a positive step (unless you are a hardcore leftist who rejects it as a weak compromise and a sellout of true socialist principles). The fact that it doesn't do what it claims is irrelevant, since any increase in government authority and control over health care is defacto a good thing. If you can't have true socialized medicine, which almost everyone on the left wants, Obamacare is at least seen by its supporters as a step in the right direction. It's because we need more big government to make life fairer for everyone.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-19182628209197019372011-03-17T21:39:46.532-04:002011-03-17T21:39:46.532-04:00How would you explain "Obamacare" in the...How would you explain "Obamacare" in the context of your arguments that leftists are just naive do-gooders? I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think there is much more malevolence and authoritarianism than you ascribe.<br /><br />If helping people was the goal of that health care reform law, then it seems to me it would have been crafted to actually help people. It's pretty short on help and long on authoritarianism. “You have to pass it to find out what’s in it” sounds a lot more like “Let them eat cake” than it does “Power to the people” or “Free to be You and Me.”<br /><br />Whatever their motivations, the left’s machinations invariably result in misery for the masses and power and privilege for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com