tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post8869741206796561450..comments2024-02-23T03:29:54.261-05:00Comments on The Unreligious Right: No Prosecutions for Keeping Secrets SecretUNRRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-21037562750720778632010-11-11T00:38:00.779-05:002010-11-11T00:38:00.779-05:00"Now we have someone conceding that video of ..."Now we have someone conceding that video of it actually used would be "devastating". No one's questing whether it's torture now, it seems... "<br /><br />So what? I've always argued that waterboarding was a form of torture.<br /><br />"The idea that CIA agents can do illegal things because they're not in the US is a pretty obtuse world-view. "<br /><br />No, it's called reality. That's exactly why intelligence agencies exist, to conduct illegal actions. Do you think espionage is a legal activity? Do you understand the concept of "human intelligence and what all that entails (not to mention all sorts of other covert activities)?<br /><br />"What will you think when another great power's agents start doing such things in the US? "<br /><br />Other power's agents have long operated in the U.S. If U.S. citizens belonging to a terrorist group carry out a 9/11 style attack on some other country, and that country decides to waterboard a captured leader, I'll have no problem with their action.UNRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093711439992855042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-45868964208299896982010-11-10T22:10:03.070-05:002010-11-10T22:10:03.070-05:00"The idea that CIA agents can do illegal thin..."The idea that CIA agents can do illegal things because they're not in the US is a pretty obtuse world-view."<br /><br />Really? Why? Have you ever heard of situational ethics? And it seems to me that you're conflating legal with moral.<br /><br />Now, I haven't looked at the "actionable intelligence" Cheney and co. claim to have obtained from KSM and co. But I can assure you, that had another terrorist attack succeeded on American soil, you'd have masses of people in a fury demanding that any enemies we capture be promptly and thoroughly interrogated - with little regard for their so-called "rights" and comforts.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-64056414324052633102010-11-10T08:44:54.743-05:002010-11-10T08:44:54.743-05:00The idea that CIA agents can do illegal things bec...The idea that CIA agents can do illegal things because they're not in the US is a pretty obtuse world-view. What will you think when another great power's agents start doing such things in the US?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1138570918413841323.post-55676905469626320592010-11-10T08:42:24.369-05:002010-11-10T08:42:24.369-05:00I do find it amusing that some in the defence depa...I do find it amusing that some in the defence department said that water boarding wasn't really torture. Was it Rumsfeld who publicly "experienced" it?<br /><br />Now we have someone conceding that video of it actually used would be "devastating". No one's questing whether it's torture now, it seems...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com