How fitting it would have been to put the plot’s architect on trial a few blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, to force him to submit to the justice of a dozen chosen New Yorkers, to demonstrate to the world that we will not allow fear of terrorism to alter our rule of law.It would demonstrate to the world that we are stupid enough to provide a huge forum for an orgy of anti-Americanism under the guise of the so-called "rule of law." I've found as a general rule, whenever anyone makes serious use of the phrase "rule of law," the odds are that it will be preceded or followed by utter nonsense.
But, apparently, there are many who continue to cower, who view terrorists as much more fearsome than homegrown American mass murderers and the American civilian jury system as too “soft” to impose needed justice.This assertion, and just about the entire op-ed is a typical strawman. The primary reason people oppose civilian trials for foreign terrorists is that foreign terrorists are not entitled to the protections of U.S. civil law. In my opinion, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed does not require a trial of any kind. KSM is a leader of an enemy terrorist organization with which we are still at war. He was captured back in 2003. The last I checked it is now 2011. He hasn't had a trial, and he still doesn't need one. We can hold him forever if we so choose. Al Qaeda as an organization, and its members are completely outside the law [unless they happen to be U.S. citizens, in which case they should be treated as such]. They follow no rules, haven't signed any international agreements, and there are no clear guidelines for how to deal with captured members. Rather than tying our own hands, and providing our enemies with unearned and undeserved rights, we should retain as wide a latitude as possible in dealing with foreign terrorists.
Even going through the motions of a military trial for KSM is a gigantic waste of time. There's no question about his identity, his leadership role in Al Qaeda, and his involvement in 9/11. Even former administration spokesman Robert Gibbs talked about KSM's conviction and execution as a foregone conclusion. The U.S. isn't going to release him under any circumstances, regardless of what happens at a trial, civilian or military. He is essentially under a suspended death sentence already -- as he should be. Ideally he should already be dead. After we extracted all useful information, he should have faced summary execution. But since we didn't do that, and he's now been sitting in prison for eight years, it might be more appropriate to just let him rot.
As I've argued many times on this blog, the blind legalism of terrorist rights supporters, and their attempt to debase the rights of U.S. citizens by awarding them to foreign enemies, is far more dangerous to the U.S. than any treatment we might meet out to someone like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Rather than extending this post further, I'll just link to my two part post "No Rights for Hostile Aliens."
I disagree with your post.
ReplyDeleteIf you believe (as I do) that the purpose/goal of the law is to arrive at the truth and punish only the guilty, then I think you have to support rights for those who are accused of crimes, regardless of whether they're US citizens or not.
If you don't believe that, then why not just come out and support the annihilation of every country that (on the balance of probability) is more likely to produce US enemies.
The _whole_ point of legalism is that it _is_ blind. To remove this is to return to the days when some could (literally) get away with murder, and the rest could get sent to Van Diemen's land for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving children.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath-water.
"you have to support rights for those who are accused of crimes, regardless of whether they're US citizens or not."
ReplyDeleteYou appear to have missed my point. Foreign enemies who engage in acts of war against the U.S. are not criminals -- they are enemies. Your argument is a category error.
"If you don't believe that, then why not just come out and support the annihilation of every country that (on the balance of probability) is more likely to produce US enemies.'
Because that's a completely illogical non-sequitur.
"The _whole_ point of legalism is that it _is_ blind. To remove this is to return to the days when some could (literally) get away with murder, and the rest could get sent to Van Diemen's land for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving children."
Again, this has nothing to do with crime and the criminal justice system -- that's the point.
"The _whole_ point of legalism is that it _is_ blind."
You appear to have misinterpreted what I mean by "blind legalism."
"To remove this is to return to the days when some could (literally) get away with murder, and the rest could get sent to Van Diemen's land for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving children."
This is a false analogy that has nothing to do with anything I wrote.
I'm not sure if you'll respond to this now, but...
ReplyDelete"You appear to have missed my point. Foreign enemies who engage in acts of war against the U.S. are not criminals -- they are enemies. Your argument is a category error."
I get the feeling that this is the crux of our difference of opinion. Can you elaborate on what you see as the difference between a criminal and an enemy?
Perhaps you could list some ways that one would categorise an unknown person into one of these groups?
Let me put it another way. I'm not defending this guy. It's very likely that he's guilty, and if so he should have the book thrown at him. But, I think what you're advocating is the equivalent of walking into a crowded bar and saying "where's Mohammed?", someone says "that guy", and you shoot him without asking any questions.